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[serene]

So I followed a link in a locked post to the Open-source Boob Project, and here's how my thinking went:

1) Wonder if I should post to my friendslist "Yes, you may".

2) Well, but should I friends-lock it?

3) Well, but then I should really remove anyone from my friendslist that I don't want touching my boobs.

4) Well, no, because I can say no to them. But wouldn't it be funny to just post an open post saying "If I drop you from my friendslist in the next day or so, it's because I don't want you touching my boobs"?

Anyway, Yes, you can. Ask, that is. I'm likely to say "You can touch my boobs; it's no big deal."

Comments

Re: the Open-source Boob Project

[pir-anha.livejournal.com]

real quick, because i am very busy today and can't give your comments the attention they deserve:

i feel some degree of passion about the subject, and i tend to argue forcefully. i am not upset at all, and your comment did nothing to make me more upset; no reason to apologize.

i am primarily taking issue with theferrett's post and his ideas of this "project", not with the event, and how other people perceived it -- i wasn't at the event.

i cannot count the times in my life that i have been accosted by men who made sexual suggestions (and i am transgendered, not conventionally attractive, nor do i dress sexily). i am sorry, but being asked whether somebody can touch my breasts is not revolutionary and new to me (though i assume it was done with more class in this case, though really, there were some incidents in my life where people weren't crass about it either). it's not affirming, it doesn't make me feel more desirable (my partners do that). coming from relative strangers, it reduces me to a provider of bodyparts and sexual kicks. and that's not counting the power play and the potential threat (because i believe they were generally not issues at this event, though i wonder how the woman in the princess dress felt -- accosting her was just plain WRONG).

sexism and the objectification of women cannot be overcome by doing more of the same old. i'm all for exploring new avenues (as i said, i really would like a society in which more touch is ok, isn't sexualized, and in which even sexual touch isn't the big deal it is now), but this is so totally not new.

*ack*, i gotta go. i'll be back later and try to point out which parts of theferrett's post made me feel the way i do.

Re: the Open-source Boob Project

[kightp.livejournal.com]

Yes.

Other than the setting, I honestly don't see how this differs much from, say, the stereotypical gang of young hoods hanging on the street corner and making "Hey, baby, nice ass, nice tits, I wanna get me some of that" comments to any woman they deem good-looking.

Ask those young men and they'll probably tell you "hey, we didn't mean anything by it, we're just appreciating their beauty." But I'd be surprised if many women who've had to run that gantlet walk away from it feeling "appreciated."

Substituting clueless geeks for young hoods and dressing the behavior up in something that pretends to be consent doesn't change my opinion even slightly.